Worst Set Survey

[doodles]

I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.

My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.

I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

[Zamboni]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

Griswold's for sheer rarity. Also a seconded for Heaven's Brethren.

Sanders for sheer uselessness.
--
Zamboni

[u]

yeah, but Sander items drop from every spike beast you run into. Sazabi's
set, on the other hand, is equal parts semi-rare, yet pitifully low in
damage in comparison to other set and unique items that are much easier to
find and much more powerful.

Anex....Explodeazon, though it has the COOLEST graphics in the game and
makes you run like an extra fast Stygian doll, that part I do like about it.

Post by doodles

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the

game.

Post by doodles
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit

ratio.

Post by doodles
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked,

but

Post by doodles
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in

value

Post by doodles
I

Post by doodles
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

Griswold's for sheer rarity. Also a seconded for Heaven's Brethren.
Sanders for sheer uselessness.
--
Zamboni

[chainbreaker]

Post by Zamboni
Griswold's for sheer rarity. Also a seconded for Heaven's Brethren.
Sanders for sheer uselessness.

Heh, I had a barb who used the Sanders set for quite a while. Used to get
quite a lot of comments about it during Normal Bloodruns, lol.

[Gabriele Neukam]

Post by Zamboni
Sanders for sheer uselessness.

At least the boots give some speed, which help my necro to evade tight
situations. He wears the gloves, too, but the wand is definitely
inferior to this plain +2 on all skills he is currently using.


Gabriele Neukam

***@t-online.de

[Particle Man]

Cow King's Leathers, for not letting you walk around as a cow upon set
completion.

[Gareth Phillips]

seconded Particle man :)

Post by Particle Man
Cow King's Leathers, for not letting you walk around as a cow upon set
completion.

[u]

LOL!

Anex....Explodeazon, a head-butting vampire cow!!!

Post by Particle Man
Cow King's Leathers, for not letting you walk around as a cow upon set
completion.

[Babe Bridou]

Vidala, for freezing, piercing, and... that's all. twenty hours spent
gathering a set, by the time you're using it, your amazon is level 50, with
1 point in pierce and 1 pt in freezing arrow.


and of course has a buriza do kyanon somewhere in stash...

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

[Whitedog]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

Heaven's Brethren is pretty useless, but the armor can be useful. My vote
is for Hwanin's Majesty though. If it didn't have the damn belt, it would
be perfect for an Act II merc. Does anyone actually have a character where
they've used the full set? You don't see many polearm characters.

[Alan Ladd]

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:39:10 GMT, "Whitedog"

Post by doodles

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the

game.

Post by doodles
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit

ratio.

Post by doodles
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked,

but

Post by doodles
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value

I

Post by doodles
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

Heaven's Brethren is pretty useless, but the armor can be useful. My vote
is for Hwanin's Majesty though. If it didn't have the damn belt, it would
be perfect for an Act II merc. Does anyone actually have a character where
they've used the full set? You don't see many polearm characters.

I made a polearm barb specifically to use the set. It was okay... not
great but okay in early stages of nightmare. I find myself having a
hard time by act 5 though. There are just so many better items a
polearm barb could wear that the whole set just wasn't worth it even
though you get some nice bonii with the full set.

Alan

[Clay]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

I started thinking about heaven's brethren before I even finished reading
the post...

-Clay

[nyra]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.

I find the berserker's arsenal set pretty shoddy, even considering the
low level requirement. The armour, of course, can be useful for a
barbarian, but that's all there is to it; there's absolutely no
incentive to complete the set, as the full set effects are worthless
enough to make you cry.

Also, Milabrega's set - the armour is very, very rare, while the set
as a whole may be useful to a <lvl30 hammer launcher and nobody else.

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless.

Could be a nice high-defence armour for a while, if you don't really
need anything else in this slot. I'd rather have a simple Stealth
Serpentskin with most of _my_ characters, mind.

Post by doodles
No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces),

Arreat summit lists the entire set as having four pieces, and a fire
damage bonus only exists on the mace, independent of other set pieces
present. Anyway, the non-class-specific expansion sets generally don't
have good partial set boni.

The complete set looks quite decent to me, apart from the mediocre
weapon (at least mediocre for the huge strength and level requirements
on weapon and shield).

[john graesser]

Post by nyra

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.

I find the berserker's arsenal set pretty shoddy, even considering the
low level requirement. The armour, of course, can be useful for a
barbarian, but that's all there is to it; there's absolutely no
incentive to complete the set, as the full set effects are worthless
enough to make you cry.

Strange but true I have a low level barb that I started who is still about
lvl 16 that is using the set, with twin axes on one switch and a third
berserker axe with shield on the other. He does ok but not near as well as
the zon with the arctic set, probobly as well as the one using vidala's set.

Post by nyra
Also, Milabrega's set - the armour is very, very rare, while the set
as a whole may be useful to a <lvl30 hammer launcher and nobody else.

I didn't realize that the armor is that rare (I think I have about 3 now), I
have a lvl 26 or so hammerdin (my first attempt at a paladin) who is just
about ready to outgrow his milbrega set, I am just waiting for a good
paladin shield to drop. This char did ok lvling up, though I don't think he
would have been near as easy to play without the skill bonus from the full
set.

Post by nyra

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless.

Could be a nice high-defence armour for a while, if you don't really
need anything else in this slot. I'd rather have a simple Stealth
Serpentskin with most of _my_ characters, mind.

Post by doodles
No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces),

Arreat summit lists the entire set as having four pieces, and a fire
damage bonus only exists on the mace, independent of other set pieces
present. Anyway, the non-class-specific expansion sets generally don't
have good partial set boni.
The complete set looks quite decent to me, apart from the mediocre
weapon (at least mediocre for the huge strength and level requirements
on weapon and shield).

My vote goes towards Sanders, I started a necro with the infernal set with
the plan to switch over to sanders later on, but as he approached lvl 30 the
available uniques just made sanders seem useless so I traded my only Sanders
hat away (mistake).

As for difficult to complete sets go, I still am looking for an Arcanna set
amulet, and everyone I have talked to in games hasn't seen one either. I
took a sorc to lvl 60+ with just the armor and staff, by the time I found
the helm I already had a hcrest to use instead. Eventually people complete
Trang or Tals and use them, but I have never seen a complete Arcanna on any
player.

[Whitedog]

Post by john graesser
My vote goes towards Sanders, I started a necro with the infernal set with
the plan to switch over to sanders later on, but as he approached lvl 30 the
available uniques just made sanders seem useless so I traded my only Sanders
hat away (mistake).

I have multples of every piece in that set, except I don't have the damn
hat.

Post by john graesser
As for difficult to complete sets go, I still am looking for an Arcanna set
amulet, and everyone I have talked to in games hasn't seen one either. I
took a sorc to lvl 60+ with just the armor and staff, by the time I found
the helm I already had a hcrest to use instead. Eventually people complete
Trang or Tals and use them, but I have never seen a complete Arcanna on any
player.

It does seem that some of the normal sets are harder to complete than the
exceptional/elite sets. This is probably because no one really does runs
where they would be most likely to drop, not sure. I've been trying to find
Arcanna's for some time, with little success.

[Whitedog]

Post by nyra

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.

I find the berserker's arsenal set pretty shoddy, even considering the
low level requirement. The armour, of course, can be useful for a
barbarian, but that's all there is to it; there's absolutely no
incentive to complete the set, as the full set effects are worthless
enough to make you cry.
Also, Milabrega's set - the armour is very, very rare, while the set
as a whole may be useful to a <lvl30 hammer launcher and nobody else.

Yeah, but if you can complete it, its a nice set. You are definatly right
about its rarity. I've completed Gris's set and Trang's and not
Milabrega's. All I need is the damn armor too.

Post by nyra

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless.

Could be a nice high-defence armour for a while, if you don't really
need anything else in this slot. I'd rather have a simple Stealth
Serpentskin with most of _my_ characters, mind.

Post by doodles
No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces),

Arreat summit lists the entire set as having four pieces, and a fire
damage bonus only exists on the mace, independent of other set pieces
present. Anyway, the non-class-specific expansion sets generally don't
have good partial set boni.
The complete set looks quite decent to me, apart from the mediocre
weapon (at least mediocre for the huge strength and level requirements
on weapon and shield).

The problem with it is the requirements to use it. If they weren't so high
it would be a very good set.

[Franklin Bratcher]

Post by Whitedog

Post by nyra
Also, Milabrega's set - the armour is very, very rare, while the set
as a whole may be useful to a <lvl30 hammer launcher and nobody else.

Yeah, but if you can complete it, its a nice set. You are definatly right
about its rarity. I've completed Gris's set and Trang's and not
Milabrega's. All I need is the damn armor too.

*whistles* Gee, I have a complete Milabrega's on USWest SC Ladder *whistles*

[Brian Brunner]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.

All of them.

Post by doodles
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.

That's the killer of these sets: what you can find you can replace with
rares about as fast as you can get the whole set in the first place.

Now another question: Which partial sets are the best? Measure in the
same terms as the 'worst' here...

Partial angelic (toss the sword)
Partial Tal Rasha (mask & belt)
Partial Sigon (gloves & boots)

This leaves weapon(s), shield, and a ring.

[chainbreaker]

Post by Brian Brunner
Partial angelic (toss the sword)
Partial Tal Rasha (mask & belt)
Partial Sigon (gloves & boots)
This leaves weapon(s), shield, and a ring.

That Angelic Sword is a bit deceiving. A pretty nice sword for the level,
actually--when combined with the rest of the set. Never discount +damage
and increased attack speed mods.

There are 3 "low-level" sets I keep: Angelic, Iratha's, and Sigon's. Mixed
and matched they can carry just about any character all the way through
Normal, and some a good ways through NM.

[Funkijazz]

I have to say full set of the disciple really disappointed me. I mean
certain stats are ok like 2 to all skills and +1 skill ammy but a useless
mod of 5 poison damage over 0 seconds?????? wtf is that.
Funkijazz

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.
No the worst feature-wise, but the worst in terms of the cost-benefit ratio.
Cost includes difficulty in finding/obtaining, and/or level required for
item use. Benefit includes not only the raw benefit of the item naked, but
in combination with other pieces of the set.
My vote: Heaven's Brethren. High level requirements except for the armor,
which is worthless. No significant benefits to having two or more set
pieces (+30 fire damage when you wear FOUR set pieces), and virtually no
retradability.
I found two of the damn maces from that set in one day, together in value I
don't think they are worth a single pgem.

[Zamboni]

Post by Funkijazz
I have to say full set of the disciple really disappointed me. I mean
certain stats are ok like 2 to all skills and +1 skill ammy but a useless
mod of 5 poison damage over 0 seconds?????? wtf is that.
Funkijazz

The display is broken. It's a bit more than that (but still not an important
mod).
--
Zamboni

[chainbreaker]

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren.

That's one of the two worst--and probably the winner. Milabrega's is the
other.

[MacOrs]

Post by chainbreaker

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren.

That's one of the two worst--and probably the winner. Milabrega's is the
other.

I just completed my first set ever right before reading this thread -
Heaven's Brethren. Thank you everyone for raining on my parade.

[Whitedog]

Post by MacOrs

Post by chainbreaker

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren.

That's one of the two worst--and probably the winner. Milabrega's is the
other.

I just completed my first set ever right before reading this thread -
Heaven's Brethren. Thank you everyone for raining on my parade.

You've actually completed it? I'm impressed. I've only ever been able to
find the mace and the armor, I have like 5 of each.

[Alan Ladd]

Post by MacOrs

Post by chainbreaker

Post by doodles
My vote: Heaven's Brethren.

That's one of the two worst--and probably the winner. Milabrega's is the
other.

I just completed my first set ever right before reading this thread -
Heaven's Brethren. Thank you everyone for raining on my parade.

Don't sweat it. Congrats on completing it, I've only seen Dangoon's
mace and Haemosus Adamant about 25 times but never seen the other two
parts of the set. But then again, I personally think that Milabrega's
is really nice for a lvl 17 pally :-)

Alan

[chainbreaker]

Post by MacOrs
I just completed my first set ever right before reading this thread -
Heaven's Brethren. Thank you everyone for raining on my parade.

Look on the bright side--at least now you know not to waste your time
building a character to use it.

You'd feel a lot worse doing that, *then* finding out how crappy the set is.

[go_d2]

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.

imho, all d2 sets suck except sigon and tal set. sets only make u look
and feel good. u will get better deal by wearing the right combination
of non-set gears.

tal set: fine,
sigon set: very good, but high strength
trang set: less total skills, low cast rate
ik set: melee set, san shield
all other sets: suck

[Whitedog]

Post by go_d2

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.

imho, all d2 sets suck except sigon and tal set. sets only make u look
and feel good. u will get better deal by wearing the right combination
of non-set gears.
tal set: fine,
sigon set: very good, but high strength
trang set: less total skills, low cast rate
ik set: melee set, san shield
all other sets: suck

I wouldn't say all other sets suck. Gris's, IK, Trang's, and Tals are solid
sets. If you socket Gris's right, it is damn hard to beat with unqiues.

[short]

Post by Whitedog

Post by go_d2

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the

game.

Post by go_d2
imho, all d2 sets suck except sigon and tal set. sets only make u look
and feel good. u will get better deal by wearing the right combination
of non-set gears.
tal set: fine,
sigon set: very good, but high strength
trang set: less total skills, low cast rate
ik set: melee set, san shield
all other sets: suck

I wouldn't say all other sets suck. Gris's, IK, Trang's, and Tals are solid
sets. If you socket Gris's right, it is damn hard to beat with unqiues.

I heard the new mods on the Druid set (whatever its called) makes it
somewhat worthwhile. But not knowing what those mods are, I can't say for
myself


short

[chainbreaker]

Post by short
I heard the new mods on the Druid set (whatever its called) makes it
somewhat worthwhile. But not knowing what those mods are, I can't
say for myself

The added sockets alone would have been almost enough.

[Phil]

Post by short
I heard the new mods on the Druid set (whatever its called) makes it
somewhat worthwhile. But not knowing what those mods are, I can't say for
myself

They make it somewhat worthwhile but not compelling. There's now a
350% damage bonus upon set completion, which is nice as far as it
goes, but given the low damage of the weapon to begin with, you're
still better off with unique elites. (Also, the bonus is on your
whole gear, rather than on the weapon, so it doesn't get multiplied by
other stuff.) There's +45 to all attributes if you add up the new
partial set bonuses, which is nice, but nothing to write home about.
They also added some sockets to the weapon and helm, for what it's
worth.

Mostly, Aldur's doesn't cut it for either high-level melee druids
(there are better weapons and helms) or elementalists (there are much
better weapons and helms). +3 skills on a set that occupies both helm
and weapon (compared to all the skills you get from midlevel uniques
like Jalals or Earthshaker, much less the elites) is woefully
inadequate.

[Alan Ladd]

Post by go_d2

Post by doodles
I'm interested in finding out people's opinion of the worst set in the game.

imho, all d2 sets suck except sigon and tal set. sets only make u look
and feel good. u will get better deal by wearing the right combination
of non-set gears.
tal set: fine,
sigon set: very good, but high strength
trang set: less total skills, low cast rate
ik set: melee set, san shield
all other sets: suck

You should meet my Sazabi wearing Barb merc and try to tell him that
he sucks :-)

Alan