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Jake_Mysterio
2007-11-01 07:52:04 UTC
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Not a bad run this time. Not an Um or Ist but still it was a Lem. Nice handy
rune to have. I have 2 of those now. I was also just up from where the forge
was in the RoF when i killed a Giant Lamprey and what did it drop??? Hel
rune. Nice. Hel and Lem within a few screens of each other. Nice run.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
EB
2007-11-03 15:01:06 UTC
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Post by Jake_Mysterio
Not a bad run this time. Not an Um or Ist but still it was a Lem. Nice
handy rune to have. I have 2 of those now. I was also just up from where
the forge was in the RoF when i killed a Giant Lamprey and what did it
drop??? Hel rune. Nice. Hel and Lem within a few screens of each other.
Nice run.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
:-D

I did a NM forge and got a flipping Amn. An AMN! I was so pissed, I did a
countess run and kicked a chest and got a Sol and she give up an Ort and
Thul. So not really a bad game.

Congrats on your good run!

EB
Mark P. Nelson
2007-11-03 16:42:40 UTC
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Post by EB
Post by Jake_Mysterio
Not a bad run this time. Not an Um or Ist but still it was a Lem.
Nice handy rune to have. I have 2 of those now. I was also just up
from where the forge was in the RoF when i killed a Giant Lamprey and
what did it drop??? Hel rune. Nice. Hel and Lem within a few screens
of each other. Nice run.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
:-D
I did a NM forge and got a flipping Amn. An AMN! I was so pissed, I
did a countess run and kicked a chest and got a Sol and she give up an
Ort and Thul. So not really a bad game.
Congrats on your good run!
EB
I too had a nice run in nightmare yesterday, starting when Duriel, of all
beasts, dropped a Ravenfrost. Then a chest in the flayer jungle threw up
a Fal, a pit lord dropped a Shael in the river of flame, three runs by
the forge for myself and a couple of mules yielded two Kos and a Hel
(boo, hiss!), and then one of Shenk's minions dropped an Amn.

I was especially pleased because that's the first Ko I've seen this
season, and I had an ethereal partizan just waiting for one. BINGA!

Mark.

*TymmeRMortis
*AveAtqueVale
--
While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making
the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short
of deliberate.--V.
~misfit~
2007-11-03 23:15:28 UTC
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Post by Mark P. Nelson
Post by EB
Post by Jake_Mysterio
Not a bad run this time. Not an Um or Ist but still it was a Lem.
Nice handy rune to have. I have 2 of those now. I was also just up
from where the forge was in the RoF when i killed a Giant Lamprey
and what did it drop??? Hel rune. Nice. Hel and Lem within a few
screens of each other. Nice run.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
:-D
I did a NM forge and got a flipping Amn. An AMN! I was so pissed, I
did a countess run and kicked a chest and got a Sol and she give up
an Ort and Thul. So not really a bad game.
Congrats on your good run!
EB
I too had a nice run in nightmare yesterday, starting when Duriel, of
all beasts, dropped a Ravenfrost. Then a chest in the flayer jungle
threw up a Fal, a pit lord dropped a Shael in the river of flame,
three runs by the forge for myself and a couple of mules yielded two
Kos and a Hel (boo, hiss!), and then one of Shenk's minions dropped
an Amn.
I was especially pleased because that's the first Ko I've seen this
season, and I had an ethereal partizan just waiting for one. BINGA!
I have three KOs and three FALs squirreled away to make me some Obedience
sticks. However, I havent found *one* eth 5 hole stick (or eth stick that
gets five holes from Larzuk (i.e. Thresher). Meanwhile my lvl 70 Pally's
merc dies like a mayfly using a rare stick with 6% LL and a max damage of
175. :-(
--
TTFN

Shaun.
Bingain
2007-11-04 00:23:17 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
I have three KOs and three FALs squirreled away to make me some Obedience
sticks. However, I havent found *one* eth 5 hole stick (or eth stick that
gets five holes from Larzuk (i.e. Thresher). Meanwhile my lvl 70 Pally's
merc dies like a mayfly using a rare stick with 6% LL and a max damage of
175. :-(
Ko and Fal are easier to acquire than a good eth pole,
especially if you don't detest trading (nothing in this category
will involved duped items anyway.) For this reason I think it's
worth making a non-ethereal Obedience if the wait is becoming a
little intolerable.

Actually I'm also in the same boat. I can't find an elite
ethereal pole that's usable, and so I'm still using either
non-eth Obedience/Insight or Insight on eth Bills in Hell.
Fortunately I still pick up small purples to cube them into fat
ones, so my mercs don't see a shortage of their potion supplies yet.

Bing
Jake_Mysterio
2007-11-04 00:24:53 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Mark P. Nelson
Post by EB
Post by Jake_Mysterio
Not a bad run this time. Not an Um or Ist but still it was a Lem.
Nice handy rune to have. I have 2 of those now. I was also just up
from where the forge was in the RoF when i killed a Giant Lamprey
and what did it drop??? Hel rune. Nice. Hel and Lem within a few
screens of each other. Nice run.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
:-D
I did a NM forge and got a flipping Amn. An AMN! I was so pissed, I
did a countess run and kicked a chest and got a Sol and she give up
an Ort and Thul. So not really a bad game.
Congrats on your good run!
EB
I too had a nice run in nightmare yesterday, starting when Duriel, of
all beasts, dropped a Ravenfrost. Then a chest in the flayer jungle
threw up a Fal, a pit lord dropped a Shael in the river of flame,
three runs by the forge for myself and a couple of mules yielded two
Kos and a Hel (boo, hiss!), and then one of Shenk's minions dropped
an Amn.
I was especially pleased because that's the first Ko I've seen this
season, and I had an ethereal partizan just waiting for one. BINGA!
I have three KOs and three FALs squirreled away to make me some Obedience
sticks. However, I havent found *one* eth 5 hole stick (or eth stick that
gets five holes from Larzuk (i.e. Thresher). Meanwhile my lvl 70 Pally's
merc dies like a mayfly using a rare stick with 6% LL and a max damage of
175. :-(
--
TTFN
Shaun.
I have found an Eth CV with which i made an Insight but i'm yet to get 1
merc strong enough to wield it. LoL! 1 have 1 Ko, 1 Pul, 1 Um, 1 Ist, 5
Hels, 6 Io's, 2 Lems. Then ofcourse all the other kinda stuff. All muled. Um
is going to be directed to Duress once i get me a nice 3 socket armor for my
Paladin. I am still pondering what to do with the others. I need to get hold
of an Andy's Visage. Let merc wear that and maybe then he'll be able to wear
the Eth CV Insight. ;-) Nice going on the Ravenfrost find and Fal.
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
Bingain
2007-11-04 02:08:06 UTC
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Post by Jake_Mysterio
I have found an Eth CV with which i made an Insight but i'm yet to get 1
merc strong enough to wield it. LoL! 1 have 1 Ko, 1 Pul, 1 Um, 1 Ist, 5
Hels, 6 Io's, 2 Lems. Then ofcourse all the other kinda stuff. All muled. Um
is going to be directed to Duress once i get me a nice 3 socket armor for my
Paladin. I am still pondering what to do with the others. I need to get hold
of an Andy's Visage. Let merc wear that and maybe then he'll be able to wear
the Eth CV Insight. ;-) Nice going on the Ravenfrost find and Fal.
1) Why would you want insight stick on a combat paladin's merc?

2) I have a 499 def Kraken Shell (174 str) and a 402 def Dusk if
you're interested. Too bad my other 3os armors are either
ethereal or way lower in defense.

Bing
Shiflet
2007-11-04 05:17:41 UTC
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Post by Bingain
1) Why would you want insight stick on a combat paladin's merc?
My guess is because Insight is considerably hard hitting as well as
providing the Med aura, and since he hasn't found a 5 socket eth polearm for
Obediance or or a nastier brute, Insight is likely the hardest hitting
weapon available to him.
Post by Bingain
Bing
Jake_Mysterio
2007-11-04 11:55:54 UTC
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Post by Bingain
Post by Jake_Mysterio
I have found an Eth CV with which i made an Insight but i'm yet to get 1
merc strong enough to wield it. LoL! 1 have 1 Ko, 1 Pul, 1 Um, 1 Ist, 5
Hels, 6 Io's, 2 Lems. Then ofcourse all the other kinda stuff. All muled.
Um is going to be directed to Duress once i get me a nice 3 socket armor
for my Paladin. I am still pondering what to do with the others. I need
to get hold of an Andy's Visage. Let merc wear that and maybe then he'll
be able to wear the Eth CV Insight. ;-) Nice going on the Ravenfrost find
and Fal.
1) Why would you want insight stick on a combat paladin's merc?
2) I have a 499 def Kraken Shell (174 str) and a 402 def Dusk if you're
interested. Too bad my other 3os armors are either ethereal or way lower
in defense.
Bing
Because when you're playing HC you use what's available to you. Insight is a
cheap runeword and is great to have on most characters mercs since it does
some nice damage anyway. If i was able to make an Obedience i would but i
don't have a Fal rune or a decent 5 socket polearm to put it in so i'm using
the best weapon that keeps him running. Merc is using a Undead Crown, Eth
Poleaxe Insight and an Eth Boneflesh armor. I've got an Andy's Visage
sitting on a mule for him and would like to see him get a Duress on
eventually or an Eth Bugged Stone or something of that sort. Just gotta find
the right stuff so i make do with what i got for now. ;-)
--
Jake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness.
Mark P. Nelson
2007-11-04 00:50:54 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
I have three KOs and three FALs squirreled away to make me some
Obedience sticks. However, I havent found *one* eth 5 hole stick (or
eth stick that gets five holes from Larzuk (i.e. Thresher). Meanwhile
my lvl 70 Pally's merc dies like a mayfly using a rare stick with 6%
LL and a max damage of 175. :-(
Try this Shaun:

Find an eth stick and give it to a mule who's still in normal and have him
get Larzuk to socket it. That usually gets me a 5-hole pole wherever I
originally got it.

Mark.
--
While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making
the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short
of deliberate.--V.
~misfit~
2007-11-04 09:19:07 UTC
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Post by Mark P. Nelson
Post by ~misfit~
I have three KOs and three FALs squirreled away to make me some
Obedience sticks. However, I havent found *one* eth 5 hole stick (or
eth stick that gets five holes from Larzuk (i.e. Thresher).
Meanwhile my lvl 70 Pally's merc dies like a mayfly using a rare
stick with 6% LL and a max damage of 175. :-(
Find an eth stick and give it to a mule who's still in normal and
have him get Larzuk to socket it. That usually gets me a 5-hole pole
wherever I originally got it.
Mark.
Thanks for that Mark. I'll give it a try next time I get an eth stick that
would normallt get a max of 6 holes.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.
Patrick Vervoorn
2007-11-04 12:47:04 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Mark P. Nelson
Find an eth stick and give it to a mule who's still in normal and
have him get Larzuk to socket it. That usually gets me a 5-hole pole
wherever I originally got it.
Mark.
Thanks for that Mark. I'll give it a try next time I get an eth stick that
would normallt get a max of 6 holes.
All socket quests, in all difficulties, are equal.

Regards,

Patrick.
~misfit~
2007-11-05 02:36:51 UTC
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Post by Patrick Vervoorn
Post by ~misfit~
Post by Mark P. Nelson
Find an eth stick and give it to a mule who's still in normal and
have him get Larzuk to socket it. That usually gets me a 5-hole
pole wherever I originally got it.
Thanks for that Mark. I'll give it a try next time I get an eth
stick that would normallt get a max of 6 holes.
All socket quests, in all difficulties, are equal.
Actually, now that you mention it, you're right Patrick. I've rushed mules
for forge and socketing quests and they always get the max holes, regardless
of difficulty. Must have had my brain stuck on idle yesterday. <g>
--
TTFN

Shaun.
Amarande
2007-11-05 05:12:34 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Patrick Vervoorn
Post by ~misfit~
Post by Mark P. Nelson
Find an eth stick and give it to a mule who's still in normal and
have him get Larzuk to socket it. That usually gets me a 5-hole
pole wherever I originally got it.
Thanks for that Mark. I'll give it a try next time I get an eth
stick that would normallt get a max of 6 holes.
All socket quests, in all difficulties, are equal.
Actually, now that you mention it, you're right Patrick. I've rushed mules
for forge and socketing quests and they always get the max holes, regardless
of difficulty. Must have had my brain stuck on idle yesterday. <g>
To be more specific:

* All items have 3 socket brackets, corresponding to ilvl 1-25, 26-40,
and 41+ (Actually ... is it 1-24, 25-39, and 40+? I'm not sure of the
boundaries but as long as you avoid ilvls 25 and 40 exactly it won't
matter <G>). The maximum number of sockets may or may not differ for
items falling in a different ilvl bracket - this depends on the base
item type, for some two or all brackets are the same, but for others
(e.g., a Crystal Sword), they are all different.

* Items DROPPED PRE-SOCKETED on normal IIRC have a cap to maximum
sockets, and cannot receive 6 (or even 5?) even if they normally would
be able to (for instance, a Crystal Sword has brackets of 3/4/6, and
some monsters in the WSK on normal are indeed level 41+, but IIRC you
cannot receive a 6-soc Crystal Sword even from such a monster).

* This does NOT apply to items that are socketed via Larzuk, however -
ONLY base item type and ilvl are relevant. The reasons for the confusion
are thus the cap on pre-socketed drops noted above, as well as the fact
that many players use their normal socket quest immediately and are
surprised to find that the item didn't get the usual maximum number of
sockets.

But this latter is not because of a Normal cap but because the player
tried to socket something with an ilvl less than 41. For instance, a
Crystal Sword has brackets of 3/4/6, so if you take say J. Random
Crystal Sword dropped in the River of Flame Normal and try to socket it
(on ANY difficulty) you may be quite surprised (if you didn't know about
the bracket rule) that your ilvl 30 or so sword receives only 4 sockets
instead of the 6 you expected.

* Main usefulnesses of this feature:

- Caster runewords, where the power of a weapon doesn't matter, so a
normal-grade weapon is useful (and even often more useful than an
exceptional or elite weapon due to lower requirements). The canonical
example is Spirit, which is ideally placed in a crystal sword, which is
the lowest requirement sword that can get more than 3 sockets. Normal
cows are level 28 (31 for minions of a boss), so a Crystal Sword given
by a normal cow falls nicely in the second bracket which as noted in the
above examples gives four sockets wherever you socket it whereas one on
Hell will give 6 no matter how you squirm.

- The Horadric Cube 'repair' recipe for use on low quality/cracked/etc.
gear resets the ilvl of the item to 1 after repairing it. This is very
useful in cases like the current thread concerns, because such an item
is forced into the first bracket, which is basically the only way to get
an elite white item that falls outside of the third bracket (as all
monsters that drop elites are level 41+).

Unfortunately the use of this is limited, and won't help for 5 socket
polearms because there are only 3 items that receive 5 sockets in the
first bracket that don't in the third (the War Staff and its higher
versions). OTOH, it is very useful indeed if 4 sockets is what you're
after, since a LOT of items have brackets of 4/5/5 or 4/5/6. The only
downside to this is that you give up the possibility of a Superior
bonus, which is especially useful for mercs (for player equipment I
avoid Superior like the plague due to the inane repair costs) ... also,
Ethereal gear never spawns in low-quality forms that I know of, so you
can't get the eth bonus either. But if you really need 4 sockets then
it's pretty useful ... Too bad there's no way to get a second-bracket
elite item!
Bingain
2007-11-05 07:52:27 UTC
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Amarande wrote:

[TOP POSTING TO RETAIN USEFUL INFO BY AMARANDE, SKIP THIS POST
IF YOU DETEST TOP POSTINGS]

These are extremely useful info provided by Amarande. To
supplement, the followings are extracts from a b.net.forum post
by Posterboy
(www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-gameplay&t=186629&p=1&#post186629):


------------------------------------------------------
LARZUK

"How many sockets will this item get if I take it to Larzuk?"
Once you understand all of the rules stated above, it's pretty
simple:

* Larzuk will always add the maximum number of sockets
possible to a low quality/normal/superior (white color name, or
gray if it's ethereal) item. To add to the example started
above, a plain white Spetum with an ilvl of 25 will get exactly
3 sockets from Larzuk; a Spetum of ilvl 26 will get exactly 4
sockets; and a Spetum of ilvl 45 will get exactly 6 sockets.
Larzuk will never ever give you 1 or 2 or 5 sockets on a plain
white Spetum.

* Larzuk will randomly add either 1 or 2 sockets to a Magic
(blue color name) item, with 50% chance of either.

* Larzuk will always add exactly 1 socket to a Unique (gold
color), Set (green color), Rare (yellow color), or Crafted
(orange color) item.

* The game difficulty (Normal, Nightmare, or Hell) in which
you use your quest reward does not affect the number of sockets
in any way.

* Character level does not affect the number of sockets in
any way.

* Larzuk doesn't care if the item is superior or not.

* Larzuk will not accept non-socketable item types for
socketing, nor will he accept any item that already has at least
1 socket already on it.

[ post edited by Veneteaou ]
------------------------------------------------------

Furthermore, after reading Amarande post, I realized I had an
inferior Archon plate on one of my chars, so I repaired it using
the cube recipe. The repaired and now normal Archon plate has
fallen from the third bracket to the first. I then socketed it
through Lazerak, and bam, got 3 sockets out of the now 494 def
Archon.

So if Jake Mysterio is still looking for a nice 3os armor, he
can start yelling at me.

I also think this gives those who have multiple socket quests
available another option to get hold of nice R/W'able weapons
and armors.


Bing

***
Post by Amarande
* All items have 3 socket brackets, corresponding to ilvl 1-25, 26-40,
and 41+ (Actually ... is it 1-24, 25-39, and 40+? I'm not sure of the
boundaries but as long as you avoid ilvls 25 and 40 exactly it won't
matter <G>). The maximum number of sockets may or may not differ for
items falling in a different ilvl bracket - this depends on the base
item type, for some two or all brackets are the same, but for others
(e.g., a Crystal Sword), they are all different.
* Items DROPPED PRE-SOCKETED on normal IIRC have a cap to maximum
sockets, and cannot receive 6 (or even 5?) even if they normally would
be able to (for instance, a Crystal Sword has brackets of 3/4/6, and
some monsters in the WSK on normal are indeed level 41+, but IIRC you
cannot receive a 6-soc Crystal Sword even from such a monster).
* This does NOT apply to items that are socketed via Larzuk, however -
ONLY base item type and ilvl are relevant. The reasons for the confusion
are thus the cap on pre-socketed drops noted above, as well as the fact
that many players use their normal socket quest immediately and are
surprised to find that the item didn't get the usual maximum number of
sockets.
But this latter is not because of a Normal cap but because the player
tried to socket something with an ilvl less than 41. For instance, a
Crystal Sword has brackets of 3/4/6, so if you take say J. Random
Crystal Sword dropped in the River of Flame Normal and try to socket it
(on ANY difficulty) you may be quite surprised (if you didn't know about
the bracket rule) that your ilvl 30 or so sword receives only 4 sockets
instead of the 6 you expected.
- Caster runewords, where the power of a weapon doesn't matter, so a
normal-grade weapon is useful (and even often more useful than an
exceptional or elite weapon due to lower requirements). The canonical
example is Spirit, which is ideally placed in a crystal sword, which is
the lowest requirement sword that can get more than 3 sockets. Normal
cows are level 28 (31 for minions of a boss), so a Crystal Sword given
by a normal cow falls nicely in the second bracket which as noted in the
above examples gives four sockets wherever you socket it whereas one on
Hell will give 6 no matter how you squirm.
- The Horadric Cube 'repair' recipe for use on low quality/cracked/etc.
gear resets the ilvl of the item to 1 after repairing it. This is very
useful in cases like the current thread concerns, because such an item
is forced into the first bracket, which is basically the only way to get
an elite white item that falls outside of the third bracket (as all
monsters that drop elites are level 41+).
Unfortunately the use of this is limited, and won't help for 5 socket
polearms because there are only 3 items that receive 5 sockets in the
first bracket that don't in the third (the War Staff and its higher
versions). OTOH, it is very useful indeed if 4 sockets is what you're
after, since a LOT of items have brackets of 4/5/5 or 4/5/6. The only
downside to this is that you give up the possibility of a Superior
bonus, which is especially useful for mercs (for player equipment I
avoid Superior like the plague due to the inane repair costs) ... also,
Ethereal gear never spawns in low-quality forms that I know of, so you
can't get the eth bonus either. But if you really need 4 sockets then
it's pretty useful ... Too bad there's no way to get a second-bracket
elite item!
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